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The French couldn't really move on as they never got there in the first place.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17475118426864347685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17874090.post-5581365648371892522007-03-13T03:36:00.000-04:002007-03-13T03:36:00.000-04:00Also on that McCartney/Wilson song, note that he a...Also on that McCartney/Wilson song, note that he also is particular to pronounce the T in "never saw them at all" where the US would say "a-dall"<BR/> -RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17874090.post-85637922882042879832007-03-13T03:32:00.000-04:002007-03-13T03:32:00.000-04:00Nice work Ben. I do disagree on the Kinks example...Nice work Ben. I do disagree on the Kinks example though. Since 1966 I have always heard "par" in that song- noticed it from the first. "Mar" is a bit less certain. Of course attributing motivation to pop song anomalies is problematic- who knows what the singer had in mind, as in the McCartney example. Lennon, in "What's the New Mary Jane" goes out of his way to Americanise the R in 'party'. Who can say why?<BR/>-RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17874090.post-1149608620377487692006-06-06T11:43:00.000-04:002006-06-06T11:43:00.000-04:00V - a) Yes, Nigel is an MC Hammer fan. Or at least...V - a) Yes, Nigel is an MC Hammer fan. Or at least he had MC Hammer in his CD collection, for which we teased him cruelly. b) as for glides, or rather their absence, Wikipedia has a mediocre description of it, referring to it as <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_dropping#Yod-dropping" REL="nofollow">yod-dropping</A><BR/>.<BR/><BR/>B - Great points all. And isn't it interesting that it's the schmaltzy songs where Paul is rhotic, as opposed to the R&B covers. I'm going to check out the Peggy Lee recordings and see if they aren't in fact the inspirations for Paul's increased rhoticity. <BR/><BR/>Interesting too that along with the overall trend towards non-rhoticity is a trend wherein Paul's schmaltz-outlet switches from Broadway/cabaret songs to Music Hall-style songs.<BR/><BR/>I think your "hamming it up in the studio" explanation is spot-on, and the contrasting "Live at the BBC" version basically proves it, as far I'm concerned.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02733601180382760718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17874090.post-1149584311836655672006-06-06T04:58:00.000-04:002006-06-06T04:58:00.000-04:00...McCartney was just trying to be goofy and self-...<I>...McCartney was just trying to be goofy and self-mocking so that no one could tease him for singing a moldy oldie like "Till There Was You."</I><BR/><BR/>Keep in mind that "Till There Was You" was just one of a number of cabaret-style songs that Paul covered with the Beatles in the early days. "A Taste of Honey" was another one that got recorded in the studio, but there were various others Paul would sing in live performances, such as "Falling In Love Again", "September in the Rain", and "The Honeymoon Song". His rendition of "Till There Was You" was based on the version sung by Peggy Lee, who Paul was a big fan of. <BR/><BR/>In all of these schmaltzy tunes (which can be heard on "Anthology", "Live at the BBC", and various bootlegs), Paul's pronunciation is very rhotic indeed. (Compare his non-rhotic delivery in the Beatles' early "rockers" like "I Saw Her Standing There": "One, two, three, FOH!") So I think Paul definitely adapted his rhoticity according to the genre. <BR/><BR/>Whether his hyper-rhotic "sawr them" in "Till There Was You" was self-mocking or earnest, I'm still not sure. But it's interesting to note that he didn't always sing it that way. If you listen to the version on "Live at the BBC", you'll find there's no intrusive /r/. So I think when he was in the studio to record "With The Beatles" he just felt the urge to ham it up a bit more.Ben Zimmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927962158447853691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17874090.post-1149533296241002112006-06-05T14:48:00.000-04:002006-06-05T14:48:00.000-04:00Ben -MC Hammer? I don't know. The thought of Nigel...Ben -<BR/><BR/>MC Hammer? I don't know. The thought of Nigel Nicholson jamming to <I>U Can't Touch This</I> makes me giggle. Anyway, whatever the deal was, he was super consistent with tacking r's onto my name. Dale used to find it hilarious.<BR/><BR/>As far as new country goes, I'd be happy to help, but you're going to have to explain glides to me a little more first (with some examples?). Wikipedia wasn't particularly helpful. I just so happen to be enjoying some hot country right now, so I'll try to listen for glides and report back.V Smoothehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04491109370901129741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17874090.post-1149511110933941612006-06-05T08:38:00.000-04:002006-06-05T08:38:00.000-04:00Q/C - I think that's a bang-up idea; a nju study o...Q/C - I think that's a bang-up idea; a nju study on glides is long overdju. Unfortunately I too only know old country; my friend V Smoothe, on the other hand, can lend one. A hand, that is. Because she knows nju country music.<BR/><BR/>V-S/E - I think I'll devote my next post to the very issues involved in putting in extra /r/s. Which professor are you referring to? The British MC Hammer fan? My guess is it was an attempt at humor, which, likemost of mine, ultimately failed. Anyways, can you tell us whether or not nju country (or perhaps noo country) music tends to have glides? Nu, Eker?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02733601180382760718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17874090.post-1149475027644412942006-06-04T22:37:00.000-04:002006-06-04T22:37:00.000-04:00I don't really know anything about rhotic accents....I don't really know anything about rhotic accents. I still find it interesting to read about, though.<BR/><BR/>I have a question, though. Does adding r's where they don't belong actually make you sound <I>more</I> American? I always thought that was a characteristic of British accents, although now that I think about it, my sole bit of evidence for this is the fact that a professor of mine used to tack an r onto the end of my name every time he said it (to my profound annoyance!). "Are you coming to your appointment today Eker?" "What do you think about that Eker?" Maybe it was just a weird tic of his.V Smoothehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04491109370901129741noreply@blogger.com